November 4, 2008 1:00 PM PST

On Call: iPhone or T-Mobile G1?

Posted by Kent German

T-Mobile G1

(Credit: Corinne Schulze/CNET Networks)

I'm a month-to-month T-Mobile customer with a Nokia 6133 that is on its lest leg. I want to get a phone with a full Internet browser and I'm deciding between the iPhone and the T-Mobile G1. I'd also like access for my Yahoo mail, but I don't need my work e-mail. Which do you recommend? Also, I don't own an iPod or use iTunes (I usually use Amazon to purchase music), so I'm concerned about moving to an all-iTunes environment.
- EJ

That's a a very good question, EJ, and the answer depends on your individual needs and desires. Though the iPhone is the better overall device (at least right now) a person in your situation should seriously consider the G1. Here is why.

I always tell people who are considering purchasing an iPhone 3G that there are three reasons to buy one. Forget the slick design and the flashy and user-friendly interface; I recommend buying the iPhone for its Web browser, its media player, and (to a somewhat lesser extent) its support for third-party applications. These three areas are where the iPhone performs very well, so I advise basing your decision on a comparison of those points. Sure, the design and interface are important, but I'd treat them and the e-mail integration as secondary motivators. And of course, I wouldn't base my decision on call quality alone, as the iPhone 3G still suffers in that area.

When boiled down to those three points, the G1 offers a compelling alternative to the iPhone. It also has a Web browser and media player and it supports third-party apps. While those apps are limited for now, more will come in the future. And as Bonnie Cha and Nicole Lee reported in their G1 review, the media player and browser offered satisfying performance. Sure, they may not be as good as on the iPhone, but they may be good enough for you. And here's another advantage for you: the G1's integration with the Amazon MP3 store means you wouldn't have to switch over to iTunes. And on a similar note, the G1 would enable you to stay with T-Mobile if you're happy with its service.

As for those secondary motivators, the G1 also does a good job. It offers good call quality with a lightning-fast 3G network. Of course, that depends on if T-Mobile has adequate coverage in your area, but our reception in San Francisco was excellent and an improvement over AT&T. With other features, the G1 matches the iPhone, for instance Wi-Fi, Bluetooth (both lack a stereo profile), and GPS, and it beats the iPhone by offering multimedia messaging, voice dialing, a physical keyboard, and a higher resolution camera (also without video recording). For e-mail, the G1 offers good support for POP3 e-mail, but full Outlook exchange support outside of Outlook Web Access isn't an option yet. But as you mentioned, that's not a concern for you.

But on the downside, the G1's hardware pales in comparison to the iPhone. While its interface is attractive, it isn't quite as slick. And more importantly, its physical design is pretty drab. As Bonnie and Nicole said in their review, the G1's hardware is its biggest drawback, but design is largely subjective. Also, you may not have a problem with some of the ergonomic issues that they found and you may not care about the proprietary headphones jack. In other words, it's all up to you.

Finally, I think the G1 deserves a good look simply because of its potential. The Google Android OS marks a new way to think about the cell experience. As I said in my last On Call column, the G1 changes the "walled garden" concept that even the iPhone represents. It deserves notice for that alone. While Android's first incarnation (the G1) may not be perfect, it's a good start.

Apple iPhone 3G

(Credit: Corinne Schulze/CNET Networks)

How can I get an iPhone with T-Mobile service?
- Lorrie

Unfortunately, your prospects are pretty slim. You either would have to buy an unlocked iPhone 3G, which are pretty difficult to find in this country, or unlock a handset obtained from AT&T. For the first option, I have seen new unlocked handsets sold by at least by one third-party retailer, but that was the exception to the rule. I have also seen fleeting offers from online retailers and on eBay, but either way you will likely pay far more than the existing AT&T price of $199 to $299 with a contract. Across the Pacific, a carrier in Hong Kong sells unlocked iPhones, but you have to sign a contract to get one.

Alternatively, it is possible to unlock an iPhone bought with AT&T, but that would require a significant investment and a lot of hassle on your part, so I would recommend against it. First off, you'd have to buy the phone (again, $199 to $299) and then end your contract by paying an early termination fee ($175). That is at least $374 right there, and that doesn't include either the first month of service or the activation fee. If you went this route, there are ways to unlock the phone and take it over to T-Mobile. I can't recommend any kind of unlocking service (try an online search for examples), but I can almost guarantee you'll have to pay for the privilege. And don't think that the inconveniences stop there. Apple has been very successful at clamping down on unlocked phones. Each time you download an iPhone software update to an an unlocked model it will "lock" the phone again. And while someone typically finds a way to "jailbreak" the iPhone soon after, it just adds up to a lot of time, money, and effort.

Much of the above is also true with the iPhone Classic. Apple and AT&T no longer sell them, but you can buy them online or take a hand-me-down from a family member or friend. But here again, even if you are successful in unlocking it, you will be subject to the same restrictions described above.

Finally, there are a couple of functionality points to consider. Only AT&T supports the iPhone's visual voicemail service. If that's important to you, you'll want to stick with AT&T. Also, the 3G bands that the iPhone uses are not compatible with T-Mobile's 3G service. You'll be able to make calls, but when you're not using Wi-Fi you'll be stuck with using the molasses-like EDGE network.

I'm looking to purchase an unlocked LG KU990. Is it better to purchase the phone from a dealer in the United States or from a dealer in another country, say Hong Kong or elsewhere in Asia?
- Wesley

When purchasing an unlocked phone, you'll want to consider a few things before deciding on a retailer. First, you need to make sure the phone supports the GSM bands used in the United States (850 and 1900). It will work here if it supports only one of those bands, but support for both is best. Secondly, you'll want to make sure the phone supports English-language menus, and to a lesser extent, comes with English user manuals in the box. And finally, make sure you get a proper U.S. electrical outlet adapter, if one isn't included. For those reasons, I would buy the phone from a U.S.-based retailer. But if you can get everything you need from a foreign retailer, then you should be OK.

Kent German is a senior editor for cell phone reviews at CNET. When he's not testing the newest handsets on the market, he's blogging about cell phone news for Crave. In his On Call column, he answers reader questions and gives his take on the rapidly changing mobile industry. E-mail Kent.
Recent posts from Dialed In Podcast
Dialed In 61: Macworld and CES previews
On Call: Hanging up on 2008
Dialed In 60: The T-Mobile G1 may have some company
On Call: Finding 3G
Dialed In 59: Piping-hot phones and Thanksgiving leftovers
Dialed In 58: It's a touch-screen explosion!
Dialed In 57: How much for the Xperia X1?
Dialed In 56: The BlackBerry Bold is here
Add a Comment (Log in or register) 18 comments
by alenas November 4, 2008 2:47 PM PST
I am iPhone 3G owner - and quite dissapointed one. Safari crashes quite a lot (and all other apps that use Safari crash too - for example NYTimes), cell reception is worse than my 4 year old WM smartphone, iTunes crashes all the time - not able to sync my contacts or calendar...
So G1 will have better software support, cause Apple engineers are rubish...
I am sure apple will take another year or so to implement A2DP (bluetooth stereo output), but it could be in a few months on G1. I bet G1 software wise will leave iPhone far behind pretty soon... And Chrome is much better browser than Safari...
Reply to this comment
by chinajon6 November 6, 2008 12:20 AM PST
Apple Inc.'s iPhone 3G was the top-selling smartphone in the U.S. from June through August, capturing 24 percent of the market, according to market research firm NPD Group.
Thirty percent of U.S. consumers who purchased the iPhone 3G from June through August 2008 switched from other mobile carriers to join AT&T, the exclusive mobile carrier for the iPhone in the U.S., according to the "iPhone 3G Report." Nearly half (47 percent) of new AT&T iPhone customers that switched carriers switched from Verizon Wireless, while 24 percent switched from T-Mobile and 19 percent switched from Sprint, according to the report.
The average price of a smartphone sold between June and August was $174, down 26 percent from $236 during the same period last year, NPD Group (Port Washington, N.Y.) said.

This proves what about Apple engineers?
by bart6425 November 6, 2008 2:41 AM PST
Actually this is for chinajon6:

Moronic fanboy tag no #123123123: You can't say our product is crap if it has this and that business report number attached to it(in this case market share over some vague time period).

First of all, the fact that a product has some market share or other doesn't tell anything about how good it really is. If it would, that would mean that all Apple products are utter garbage because they are like 8% of the market (well, they are utter garbage, but for different reasons).

You go on spewing some percentages represinting people switching carriers, and in the end, you wipe yourself and ask what does this tell us about Apple engineers? Um nothing? Also those 10% losers who buy Apple crap do it because they are inlove with Stevie and have an orgasm each time he smiles and tells them they're better human beings for buying his products, and not because of the wonderous engineering feats of Apple engineers.
by aztec92154 November 10, 2008 1:17 PM PST
The G1 has NO killer apps. Not one. Nothing. You want to buy a phone with potential? Get the OpenMoko. Lots of potential ZERO reasons for your average consumer to get one. AND PLUS G1 looks like a prototype!
by Galenn20K November 4, 2008 10:08 PM PST
G1, T-Mobile, and GOogle are Forging the FUTURE right now and its only going to get Better.
Reply to this comment
by chris_245 November 5, 2008 5:53 AM PST
It should be noted that unless you are a paid subscriber for Yahoo mail, you will not have POP3 access to your account. You will have to check your email through the phone's web browser. However, push access for Yahoo mail is available on email client the iPhone. I'm not sure if that's true with the G1. Also, the Amazon MP3 store downloader can be set to automatically add new purchased music files to your iTunes library.
Reply to this comment
by sting7k November 5, 2008 7:12 AM PST
EJ - With the iPhone 3G you are not locked into iTunes for purchasing music. Contrary to popular belief iTunes will play pretty much any music file (most popular formats) and not just ones from iTunes. I buy pretty much everything from AmazonMP3 now as well. The AmazonMP3 downloader can be set to automatically add new songs to your iTunes library and will even put it's folder in the iTunes music folder so everything stays in one place.

I have not personally owned the G1 or even used it at this point. If your happy with your Tmobile service you might want to stay with them. AT&T has more 3G coverage and Apple is always working on the iPhone software to make it better every day. The iPhone 3G also has built in push support for yahoo mail from what I understand (I use gmail).
Reply to this comment
by linkux November 5, 2008 7:35 AM PST
Great article! Very sane and informative; however there is a small error: To unlock an iPhone, you "almost guarantee you'll have to pay for the privilege" but this is simply not true. The 3G iPhone does not yet enjoy a true software unlock--nobody has been able to do it. The first generation iPhone, however, can be unlocked using the brilliant, reliable, open source, FREE tool called "Pwnage Tool." Using this easy tool, any first generation iPhone can be unlocked to any GSM carrier. Once your "baseband" (the cellphone part of the iPhone software) is unlocked, it stays that way--Apple has not yet dropped an update that alters the baseband. So if you unlock your iPhone, then restore it with an Apple updated firmware, it remains unlocked and in full working order.

I used an unlocked first generation iPhone on T-mobile for a year, with great results. If you have a data plan, you get full iPhone Internet capabilities. If anyone wants a T-Mobile iPhone, I suggest scouring craigslist--or put a want ad in the local paper--for a 1st-gen iPhone. They are pretty cheap when not unlocked, and you can often get them from 3G "upgraders" Then head over to blog.iphone-dev.org and get the latest Pwnage Tool. Unlock and enjoy.

All this being said, I can say that I sold my iPhone in favor of a G1. It's a bit like comparing OS X to Linux: the former is slicker and easier to use, but the latter is more powerful, adaptable, and has far greater potential.
Reply to this comment
by scottyrob November 5, 2008 10:28 AM PST
Big question is he does he want to actually make calls, not have his phone freeze up, and have the least dropped calls because you really can't make calls?
Reply to this comment
by wschloss November 5, 2008 10:50 AM PST
"And of course, I wouldn't base my decision on call quality alone, as the iPhone 3G still suffers in that area." Huh? I have had iPhone 3G since July and it's the best call quality, including when using speaker, I've had on any of numerous mobile phones. Everyone I have asked tells me that, and all other iPhone users I know have had similar experience. Nor have I seen mention of any issues elsewhere--most reviews rave about call quality.

I commute Metro North CT to NYC every day and read The NY Times, my local paper, WSJ, Financial Times and Bloomberg along the way without problems. Handoffs between 3G, Edge and WIFI (and all three are needed) are mostly seemless since OS version 2.1.

It has transformed my commute. No more elbow wars with the grouch sitting by the window and I save money on the newspapers too! Not to mention podcasts! Tips: don't fill it up with junk apps--leave > 1gb free at all times, power it off and on once a week, don't let it get too hot. That shouldn't be difficult. I have ~ 3,000 photos, ~ 3,000 songs, ~ 350 podcasts (some long, mostly NPR), and 5 apps loaded with room to spare (yes 16gb); Oh and 400 contacts with no problem synching both my office and home email and calendar (hint; always input new items in the same location and delete the others before synching--not a big deal after the initial load).

The iPhone is awesome and kinda tired of people whining about copy paste. Would you buy a car that's clunky and looks like cr@p because you liked the cupholders and the car you really want doesn't come with cruise control? You must be the guy with the pinstripe trousers and plaid shirt that takes the seat across from the bathroom. If yes then don't get an iPhone!
Reply to this comment
by storm14k November 5, 2008 1:53 PM PST
Get th G1. From the senario you give you aren't going to miss anything on the Iphone unless you like the look or virtual keyboard. But I understand the G1 will be updated to have a virtual keyboard soon.
Reply to this comment
by bubblebathgirl November 5, 2008 10:08 PM PST
If you've seen the G1 reviews you know it's a clunky piece of junk. The iPhone 3G has, obviously, already beaten the G1 in the CNET Prizefight:

http://reviews.cnet.com/4370-6454_7-644-101.html?tag=centerColumnArea1.2

... and it wasn't even close.

Competition is great to have, but nothing's been able to really compare to the iPhone 3G yet ... and perhaps nothing will till Apple releases it's next iPhone model.
Reply to this comment
by tlombard November 6, 2008 8:14 AM PST
Have you actually used a G1 or seen it in use? Let me give you a little hint, all reviewers (just as all people) have their biases and pre-conceived notions and at this point someone could take an iPhone 3G, change some things cosmetically, put it out under a different name and most of the tech media would say it isn't nearly as good as the iPhone. Apple must send some really nice fruit cake at Christmas or something. So many statements that I read in reviews on the G1 tick me off because if they did five minutes of research, they would know the reason why (lack of proper bluetooth) and/or have a timeline on when the update will be there (virtual keyboard in a couple of months)... without buying a new phone which Apple will make you do almost every time. Not to mention that most of the first round of reviewers complained about a lack of applications when the phone was first launched. Uh... did Apple even have an app store right away? It takes time. You can't expect every developer to jump on the bandwagon and start coding for a platform that doesn't even have a physical handset to test on yet, much less people to use the app. The limited apps at the time of launch was worth noting in a review but not worth knocking it for.

I have tried the iPhones and wanted to make them work but now own the G1... and I found the G1 way more intuitive to operate. Other than being able to pinch to zoom on pages on the iphone there really isn't much difference. The only reason I can think that someone would say the G1 isn't as easy to use right away as the iPhone is would be because YOU CAN MULTI-TASK ON THE G1!!! It isn't as simple as opening an app, using and then closing it to open another. You can actually juggle 10 apps at once if you want to and the phone still runs great. I love being able to leave a game for a second, answer a couple of texts, IM, email or whatever, change the song playing and then go right back to the game. That takes me to my final big complaint for today... I don't consider the iPhone a smartphone at all. If you can't multi-task then it isn't a smartphone in my opinion. I've had phones that could browse the web and check email and play music and other stuff before and they were nothing more than crappy feature phones. The iPhone does it way more stylishly but that doesn't make it a smartphone. It has all the potential in the world if Apple would just loosen their death grip and change some things.
by aztec92154 November 10, 2008 1:29 PM PST
@ tiombard

"I found the G1 way more intuitive to operate" - This is a just an outright lie. Try scrolling on a webpage, contact list, ect... Its unbelievably choppy, and it doesn't feel as fast as the iPhone. I feel like my screen is going to break off every time I slide it up to use the keyboard, it feels like a prototype.

"You can actually juggle 10 apps at once if you want to and the phone still runs great." Wrong. Sorry. (try scrolling through your contacts.. its choppy isn't it? I know - because I have a G1 - this is unacceptable.

"I love being able to leave a game for a second, answer a couple of texts" - The games are a joke. But I do like the game where there is a ball that bounces around the screen that you have to cut the box it bounces into little pieces. The "box in the dots" game is VERY fun. But its still not even close to anything thats on the iPhone. Do you really think that the G1 will compete with handheld gaming the same way the iPhone is? I dont.
by gasolara2002 November 20, 2008 6:05 AM PST
That was a very biased review and cnet didn't talk about all the aspects of both of the phones. If my comment makes it up there then read it because i have both of them now and I honestly think the G1 is the better phone and you will see why.
by ShatHappens November 6, 2008 1:45 AM PST
Apple fanboys make me ill. Many of the CNET crew are blinded by the reality distortion field of Steve Jobs. My girlfriend, father, and sister all have iPhones and it is a great device. I have a G1 and I couldn't be happier. The G1 isn't as "first gen" as you have been told. It can hold its own against the iPhone. Both devices are great. I find it funny that all of the people vested in the iPhone feel as they are being attacked by the existence of the G1. They feel as if they have to pick a winner. Guess what? You can have 2 great devices and not have to decide which one is better. You should be intelligent enough to decide for yourself which phone meets your needs and likes better. This prizefight crap is utter dukie.
Reply to this comment
by gasolara2002 November 20, 2008 6:01 AM PST
Actually i have both of the phones and they are both good in their own aspects. The Iphone is a very sexy looking device. The G1 is more consumer friendly with the keyboard especially people with big fingers like myself. The main thing cnet is failing to review is the internet speed of the phones. The iphone loses to the G1 in edge and 3G speeds. The G1 is hands down is the fastest full page web browser I have used on the edge network period. Nothing will beat it. The iphone is slow when it reverts back to the edge network which the majority of America lives in. I feel like there is no showing of this and I hope people read and get this helpful piece of information. Also internet related apps are faster on the g1 than the iphone. The iphone has alot more applications which is excellent but then again the applications i want like MMS, Texting with the keyboard in landscape, and FREE internet tethering requires the iphone to be jailbroken and I feel apple is to controlling with their phones. The G1 has little apps for now but they are going to catch up with the apple app store probally in a year or so. I like the fact that the android store's apps are FREE!! And I mean all of them. I like the idea that the G1 has an open platform and it is more helpful to the G1 because the device can be more enhanced faster because the open platform allows that and the Android Market has no bias about applications being in their store unlike the apple app store. I know that the iphone lacks some features but it has can have the features people want if apple would let the applications that implement those features go to the app store. I had to jailbreak my iphone just so i can text in landscape mode. Its sad but i have big hands and fingers. The keyboard saves the G1 from hassle. Its a better bet to me. The multimedia is good on both phones but i have to give the edge to the g1 because of the ringtones. You can bluetooth ringtones and cut your own ringtones and use them off the memory card for free with the g1 while apple charges you to cut ringtones. In all aspects i think the iphone is better if you seek to have fun with your phone but the G1 is better overall because it is a pratical phone and when more apps are created then it will have the fun factor.
Reply to this comment
by monchakib November 20, 2008 6:59 AM PST
All the best search engines piled into one. Including Google, Yahoo, sport search engines, science and medical search engines, encylopedia search engines, government and legal search engines, education search engines, news search engines, meta search engines.....

http://www.allthebestsearchengines.blogspot.com
Reply to this comment
Subscribe to the Dialed In podcast

Subscribe to this podcast using an RSS reader other than iTunes

Subscribe to this podcast using iTunes

advertisement

About Dialed In Podcast

Whether it's for just making calls or for cramming your entire life into one device, the ubiquitous cell phone continues to evolve. Each Wednesday cell phone editors Kent German, Bonnie Cha and Nicole Lee meet to discuss the latest cell phone news and answer your questions. Join us to find out what's in, what's out and what's coming next.

Send us e-mail at dialedin@cnet.com or call us at 1-866-402-2638 (CNET) and be a part of the show.


Add this feed to your online news reader

Dialed In Podcast topics

More on Dialed In
Dialed In Lounge forum
Dialed In live stream (Wednesdays, 2pm PST)
Dialed In Facebook group
CNET Reviews: Cell phones
Cell phone ringtones and accessories
Cell phone user forums
Discuss cell phone: Make the call
On Call columns
Cell phone blogs
Cell phone features
Meet The Dialed In hosts
Bonnie Cha Bonnie Cha reviews the latest smart phones, PDAs, and GPS devices, helping CNET readers get their hands on the latest mobile electronics. See profile
Kent German Kent German is CNET's cell phone editor and has been following the wireless industry for seven years. He's embarrassed to admit he can name almost any cell phone he sees on the street. See profile
Nicole Lee Nicole Lee reviews cell phones and their accessories for CNET, thus satisfying her love for all things small, shiny, and digital.See profile
Podroll
When you're not listening to Dialed In, here's some other great podcasts to try.
The Cell Phone Junkie
The Apple Phone Show
60-Second Science
East Meets West
Other CNET podcasts